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James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas Examines Minnesota’s Voter Registration and Absentee Ballot Systems

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Project Veritas, a group founded by James O’Keefe, the man many credit with taking down ACORN via his undercover video exposés, was in Minnesota recently. Using hidden cameras, they took a look at Minnesota’s alarmingly loose voter registration and absentee voting procedures.

Their new video is tagged as part 2  in a series called “Voter Fraud in America.” The first installment, which demonstrated the ease with which a person could obtain a ballot in the name of a dead voter in New Hampshire made national news and has some election officials calling for prosecution of O’Keefe for exposing the problem. See that video here: http://youtu.be/9-uVhhIlPk0

94 Responses to James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas Examines Minnesota’s Voter Registration and Absentee Ballot Systems

  1. Sharyn Klatt February 10, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    We need voter ID in Minnesota!

  2. Tim O'Keefe February 10, 2012 at 10:31 am #

    James can you register me to vote in alabama

  3. Kevin February 10, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    It is really a sad statement for where we are in Minnesota. I don’t understand the big push back for having an ID requirement, unless the opposition really does want voter fraud occurring.

  4. Bob Vandenakker February 10, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    There are actually people named Tom Brady in Scott County, as well as a whole clan of Tebows, so picking those names doesn’t really mean anything.

    What’s funny is that O’Keefe didn’t complete the registration, and Tom Brady and Tim Tebow would never appear on the rosters. If this fool actually submitted the registrations (A Felony), it would still never appear on the rosters because all of that information is verified. That’s why Mickey Mouse isn’t on the rolls. If somehow he did make it on the rolls, the roster would show up as “See ID” because you can’t complete a registeration without showing a valid photo ID, unless you’re vouched for by a registered voter (who had already shown an ID because vouched can’t vouch for someone else), in which case when the fake registration is discovered, the voucher will go to jail. And like Mr. McGrath has said on video before, felons have IDs and can still register and vote with one.

    We already have a secure system. All you want to do is reduce turnout.

    • Bonnie Haugen February 10, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

      Actually, states that have voter ID have increased voter turnout. Voter fraud disenfranchises the votes of those that follow the law, not those that are not willing to show ID.

      • Rod Wilson July 3, 2012 at 3:43 am #

        This is completely untrue and unfounded. Voter fraud is minuscule compared to those who have used the vouching system. Stop spreading lies.

    • MN voter February 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm #

      Did you listen to the video? More than one woman said no id was required to register to vote.

      • Carlos February 22, 2012 at 3:54 am #

        False, she said you don’t need an id to complete the form. Once the state gets the form, it will be dismissed since it lack proof of identity.

        • Dan February 23, 2012 at 10:17 am #

          No. An “oath of residence” is all that’s required.

    • Robert S. February 10, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

      @Bob Vandenakker

      Reduce turnout? How? Everyone has and uses some form of ID weekly if not daily… and you know it. The thought that it would reduce turnout is absurd and the only silly argument the Left can come up with. How you could call it a secure system is absurd with Google at your fingertips. Face it… You Sir, as a Leftist.. want the fraud to continue

    • Ms. J February 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

      What is the problem with you liberals not wanting voter ID? Don’t you want to insure that the system is as secure as can be? You need an ID to see the doctor, pick up a prescription, and numerous other activities!

    • Retired Marine February 18, 2012 at 9:29 am #

      Really Bob? Mickey Mouse and Adolph Hitler were on 20% of the recall in Wisconson.
      Tell me again how Mickey mouse can’t get registered. Also, while your at it, please tell me how so many dead people vote. Hennipin County in Minnesota had 23% more votes cast than they have people. What part of this system is secure? Nevada, the union people that repair and setup the casino gaming machines are the same people that repair and set up the voting machines. How many People came forward to say they pushed a republican, independent, or write in, and surprise surprise, the DFL candidates all appeared as checked. Yep, you bet it is secure. If I was in a forward area, perhaps on a lerp, and had this security I would not be around today. Secure my Butt.
      Semper Fi

      • Rod Wilson July 3, 2012 at 3:48 am #

        There are so many lies (and misspelling, grammar) in this post I don’t know where to start. Mickey Mouse and Hitler were on 20% of the WI recall? Really? Provide a link to this OUTRAGEOUS statement. Hennepin (correctly spelled) had 23% more votes than people? Wow, what a turnout!!! Lies Lies Lies

    • Speak2Truth March 8, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

      George Soros is investing in the “Secretary of State Project” to ensure Democrats take control over those who validate the elections. Democrats fight hard against Voter ID. This sort of “absentee ballot” vote fraud has become common practice.

      If they can control the entire election process, then nobody can stop the fraud.

      We don’t have a secure system. We just have a way of punishing someone who is caught, such as:

      >> Prosecutors say Bowman and former Lincoln County Clerk Donald Whitten, 62, were part of a scheme to steal the May 2010 Democratic primary by stuffing ballot boxes with illegal absentee ballots. <<

      That Secretary of State project is to reduce the likelihood they'll be caught.

      If we can't guarantee only one vote to one eligible voter, we don't have a legitimate system of government any more.

      And that's why Democrats fight hard to prevent positive Valid Voter ID.

  5. Jim February 10, 2012 at 11:32 am #

    I’m sure Acorn or the unions don;t do any of these things… wonder how that election flipped from Coleman to Franken? It only take a few votes.
    Hey James…. I’ll take 100 of those blank registration forms, please.

    • Carlos February 22, 2012 at 3:55 am #

      ACORN doesn’t exist anymore.

      • Dan February 23, 2012 at 10:17 am #

        Wrong. It is still an operating non-profit corporation. Most of their affiliates have changed their names but continue to operate as before.

      • Bob Roberts August 5, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

        Yes, it does. Same people, same offices, all they did was changed their official name.

  6. Louise Pearson February 10, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    Wow!!! I’m speechless. I really didn’t know that it was so easy…

    • LEL MN February 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

      MN Senator Al Franken was elected by proved voter fraud (felons, and bused-in nonresidents), yet apparently worn out by six months of recounts he’s never been recalled.
      That’s the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.

      The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes — fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to Minnesota Majority’s newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records.

      Furthermore, the report charges that efforts to get state and federal authorities to act on its findings have been “stonewalled.” ~ http://politicalbyline.com/2010/07/12/surprise-voter-fraud-involving-felons-in-al-franken-election-in-mn/

      • MN voter February 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

        There is no remedy when you have a George Soros-backed Democrat Secretary of State and a Democrat Attorney General who won’t enforce election fraud laws. Unless, of course, you want to elect a new SOS and AG…by a sufficient margin that defeats voter fraud.

  7. Jim February 10, 2012 at 11:44 am #

    Bob V: Really??? Do you really think the system is secure? You are sadly mistaken. Contrary to your misguided belief, the information is NOT verified and IDs are NOT required!! Did you not hear what those people said on the video? Have you never been to a polling place and simply given your name to vote?? (They just check your name against a roster.) Not only do they NOT ask for ID, they CANNOT ask for ID because it is against the law! Duh! That’s why we WANT a law requiring a photo ID!!! Isn’t it people of your ilk who claim requiring and ID disenfranchises people? So why do you then write that an ID would be requested/required. NOT TRUE… Get a clue. And yes… we DO want to reduce the turnout. We want the turnout to be REAL, LIVING people who are who they say they are and live where they claim to live. How is it that some precincts record MORE votes than there are registered voters in your secure system? And what about all the votes that mysteriously appeared for Franken… such tight security. Guess we should all just take your word for it.

  8. Bob Vandenakker February 10, 2012 at 12:20 pm #

    Jim, you’re right that you can’t ask a Registered voter for a photo ID, because it is voter intimidation and a crime. So if it’s a crime to do it to a few people, how is it not going to be a crime to do it to everyone?

    My point is that Mr. O’Keefe’s fake registration would never be on the roster, so there’s never an opportunity for him to show up and vote as a fake person. And you can’t register yourself without a photo ID. If you turn in a registration without showing an ID, which is a require section of the registration form and requires an election judge’s signature in order for it to be valid. the registration shows up on the roster with a “See ID,” which is required to complete registration. The person isn’t registered to vote until they’ve proven who they are, so they never get the chance to state their name and address and sign the affidavit like the rest of us. I’ve worked as an election judge for years, and the only people who are registered without an ID are those who are vouched for by another registered voter.

    If you think it’s so easy to register fake people with no identification and have them show up on the roster, I suggest you go and try it during the primary this year. While you’re at it, why don’t you bring a bunch of people in and try and vouch for them under fake names and addresses. Let’s see how long it is until you lose your right to vote for committing felonies like Mr. O’Keefe.
    And where is the outrage and demand for Mr. O’Keefe’s arrest? He committed a felony, shouldn’t he be put in jail?

    • MN voter February 10, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

      Where have you been? Dead people voted in 2008 in MN. Thank you ACORN for registering those folks since they couldn’t do it for themselves.

      How about the developmentally disabled who voted in Crow Wing County in 2010? A witness said their caretakers told them to vote Democrat, and in at least one case, the so-called voter walked out of the voting booth and his caretaker completed his ballot, then called him back to sign it. The attorney general of the county won’t prosecute for voter fraud, and the state AG won’t do anything either!

      The fraud always seems to work to the benefit of the Democrats.

      • MN voter February 10, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

        Sorry, as I re-read my post, I realize I left out some pertinent information. The witness and the developmentally disabled were early voters. For an early vote, the ballot is put into an envelope, and the voter signs the outside of the envelope, then the ballot is turned in to officials.

      • Bob Vandenakker February 10, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

        The law says that all you have to be is 18, a resident of minnesota, a citizen, not a felon, and not under guardianship in which your right to vote has been taken away. Plus, you can anybody you want come into the voting booth with you, as long as it’s not your employer, union representative or a candidate. The investigation in Crow Wing county found that there had been no crime commited. And, BTW, you don’t sign your ballot. You sign the roster book, and you don’t get your ballot until after that, so your version of the story is suspect.

        And you’re right about the Secretary of States. We should be more concerned about them. The rate of felons with IDs commiting voter fraud in Minnesota in 2008 is 0.0009%, whereas the rate of voter fraud amongst Secretaries of State is 2%.



        And they have Photo ID in Indiana and it didn’t stop the Republican Secretary of State from committing fraud.

        Oh, and there were no dead people who voted in Minnesota in 2008. Just like South Carolina’s claim that Photo ID is necessary to stop 900 dead voters turned out to be false.


        Let’s get some facts here! Show me a Minnesota zombie voter! Show me a Minnesotan who walked into the polls to find somebody had voted for them already!

        Your anecdotes are tiresome.

        • MN voter February 16, 2012 at 4:08 am #


          Check my second post…I noted that the ballot for early voting wasn’t signed. Check this out:


          The AG of Crow Wing county chose not to do anything. I was told by a person who served in the legislature that citizens have appealed to legislators for help, and the citizens and legislators have tried to get the MN AG to do something; that stawart Democrat won’t do anything about it either.

          To go into a voting booth with a voter is one thing; to fill out the ballot after the voter left the booth is something else and to tell a voter how to vote (Democrat) isn’t exactly kosher either. We should expect that the voter has the capacity to understand what he is doing and able to make his own choice or he shouldn’t be voting.

          I emailed the SOS in early 2010 asking about the 2008 fraud written about in the Minneapolis Tribune; The emailed reply denied any fraud had occurred. I just don’t buy it. The fact that the fraud isn’t being prosecuted doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

        • Retired Marine February 18, 2012 at 9:57 am #

          Sorry Bob, you are beyond help. Like all liberal communists you do not need facts, you have FEELINGS. How many times do you vote? How many dead have you registered? You sound like an acorn sheeple.

          • Carlos February 22, 2012 at 4:01 am #

            Communists don’t like gay or lesbians. Hence, a liberal cannot be a communist.

    • Mike R. February 12, 2012 at 10:31 am #

      Bob: you are speaking logic and reason to people who don’t or cannot hear it. That O’Keefe guy is an unethical nutcase, at best, and anyone relying on him for anything serious is pathetic. Voter ID is a manufactured issue by the Right because they KNOW it will reduce Democratic votes. Simple as that. My main problem with it is there really hasn’t been any real documentation of any real fraud, and it conveniently overlooks the real election shenanigans that the Right is perpetrating at every national election and has been doing so probably for decades. AND Voter ID is a fascist move, to fix a non-existent problem, and it just another of the sleazy moves by the elite to subvert democracy, and push us all further into a fascist totalitarian police state. Wake up people.

      • Ms. J February 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm #

        And just why will it reduce Democratic votes? They won’t be able to vote multiple times anymore??????????????????

        • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

          Uh, no Ms. J… it was explained above plain and simple. Why don’t you want all Americans easy access to voting? Are you Un-American? Where is the evidence that multiple voting is an actual issue vs. a red herring for wingnuts to focus on while other civil rights are being trashed behind their backs. Convenient isn’t it that these non-issues can come up seemingly out of nowhere, and never seem to go away?

      • MN voter February 16, 2012 at 4:39 am #

        If O’Keefe can expose election fraud, more power to him. The elections should be honest to the point that no one has reason to question it or can find discrepancies. That would be ideal. Unfortunately, there are too many greedy, power-hungry people busily doing their best to destroy this country.

        If honest elections mean nothing to you, you are probably also supporting trampling the Constitution and Bill of Rights underfoot along with Obama, his administration, the NWO, the UN, and progressives, as just another phase of the destruction of America.

        We can thank Obama for accelerating a slow process and bringing to our attention that there have been forces working quietly in the background for 50 years to bring this country to its knees.

        And by the way, 80% of Minnesotans favor Voter ID because of past election fraud, the MN legislature has passed a bill for voter id but the governor (Dem) won’t sign the bill, and so it will be on the 2010 ballot.

        Minnesota has some house-cleaning to do.

    • Lisa February 12, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

      It makes me wonder if any of you people actually vote because you seem so ignorant of the process. Thank you Bob (election judge) for setting the record straight on the process of voter registration.
      As for Mr. O’Keefe, I agree, what he did is a felony and I am outraged that he hasn’t been.
      You all talk about smaller government and all you do is make it bigger with all your grandiose schemes

      • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

        Thank you Lisa! Sanity is so helpful with these evil machinations that the right-wing uses to stay in control as much as possible- because they can’t really win on the issues alone. They have to create this kind of chaos and disorder- always saying they want order, etc. It’s so easy to see thru this kind of thing if you aren’t drinking the kool-aid.

      • MN voter February 16, 2012 at 4:43 am #

        Mr. O’Keefe didn’t vote; he simply asked for and was given the forms to register to vote, as I understood it. Nothing illegal there. He also asked a bunch of questions that when answered, demonstrated how easy it would be for someone to commit voter registration fraud, and to vote illegally. More power to him for exposing the failings of the voting system.

        • Carlos February 22, 2012 at 4:05 am #

          Mr. O’Keefe edited this video. The uncut version talks about he giving back the forms to seniors at a nursing home. By editing this video he is confusing voters, which have rights. You are free to complete the form. However, it is a whole different history if the form will be accepted due to a lack of identity proof.

    • Harold Stassen February 13, 2012 at 5:20 pm #

      O’Keefe could easily have submitted those applications and absolutely nothing would have happened to him. If the county does not verify the names on the application, which apparently they do minimally, then the names go on the rolls and once there can be safely voted absentee (usually the preferred cheating method) or by corrupt election officials. As an election judge I witnessed dozens of people showing up, escorted, who couldn’t even write their names and spoke not a word of English being allowed to register and vote. Thanks to the ACORN secretary of state we were not allowed to examine their Mn ID cards for an expiration date which would have clearly shown them to be non-citizens.

      • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

        And so those few voters who may (or may not) be voting illegally (you even admit this uncertainty) is a concern for you why again? Are there really enough voting army zombies who are voting for someone other than your preferred candidate? Really? I think not. What if some or all of them were voting for your candidate, what then? That is the real issue is it not? You feel in your stony heart that they are voting against YOU. You and all these other “concerned citizens” get really riled up over this kind of issue. They don’t trust THEM… they aren’t afraid to stand up to THEM… Who are “them” Harold? I would like to know. Ane who are they voting for- some future Hitler or Bin Laden, or a DEMOCRAT????? The HORROR!!!!!!

      • MN voter February 16, 2012 at 4:52 am #

        Thanks for being an election judge. Did you know the Dems outnumber the GOP election judges in MN about 4:1? That needs to change.

        Oh, and did you know our SOS is George Soros-backed through the Soros organizations? Fact, not fiction.

  9. Rich MN February 10, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

    You need id to legally drive, cash a check, buy cigarettes, buy booze, board an airplane, cross the border into Canada, get married, etc. So why is it so much of a hardship to provide an id to vote?

    • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm #

      Rsearch the issue – and not on rightwing sites. You’ll find out the answer to your question. If you really want it.

    • Rod Wilson July 3, 2012 at 3:55 am #

      Voting is an unalienable right in America. Buying a pack of smokes, going into Canada, and getting married is not a right. Learn your Constitution, you will become a better citizen.

  10. Jim February 10, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

    To Bob V:

    I am typing this very slowly, so please read it very slowly… maybe then you will understand.
    1. If we pass a law requiring an ID to vote, it WILL NOT be a crime to ask people for an ID to vote. Get it?? The law would require an ID, so asking for one would not be illegal.
    2. The fake registration WOULD be on the roster. That is the whole point! So if John Doe is on the roster, and someone shows up at the voting station and says, “I’m John Doe,” they get a ballot because the election judges cannot ask for an ID. Why is that hard to comprehend? No one has to “prove” who they are. That is the point of all this!! Where on earth do you get the idea that people have to prove who they are? If that’s the case you’re putting forth, then you, too, must be in favor of voter ID.
    3. It is easy to register a fake name and vote, and it has been proven many times. (How else do dead people vote? Why are there more votes than voters? Why, in some precincts, are there more people registered to vote than actually live there.) I have not done so because I respect the law. However, there are groups that do not. I.e., Acorn, SEIU, AFSCME, etc.
    4. What’s the felony Mr. O’Keefe perpetrated? I didn’t see him (or anyone in particular) completing a form, signing a form, or turning in a form (all elements required for commission of this crime, but hey, when have facts ever stopped a liberal’s rant?).
    5. Add to the list of required IDs: going to the doctor. On my recent trips to both my regular clinic (where I’ve been for over 20 years) and a GI clinic, I had to produce a photo ID. Want to stay at a hotel? ID. Cell phone? ID. Buy property? ID

    • Bob Vandenakker February 10, 2012 at 2:46 pm #

      Obviously you’re not familiar with how voter registration works.


      It’s amazing what happens if you actually read the law and see how things work.

      You need a government issued Photo ID to register to vote. If you have a current drivers license, you’re good to go (even though being a citizen is not a requirement for getting a drivers license). If you have an expired licesnse, you also need a current utility bill showing your current address. Same thing if you have a passport, you need a current utility bill because a passport is valid for 7 years and doesn’t have your address on it, only your place of birth.

      Otherwise, you need to be vouched for by a registered voter.

      Everyone in the poll books has already shown an ID at some point and been verified, or been vouched for by someone who is already registered and has shown an ID and been verified.

      Therefore, because Mr. O’Keefe never had a photo ID for his fake registrations, he didn’t complete registration, and the best he could hope for is that his entry on the poll book would say “See ID”. He would not be able to vote as Tim Tebow or Tom Brady.

      And there’s a huge difference between requiring a photo ID or vouching for registration, and denying a registered voter the right to vote because of lack of an ID. But I’m just a fiscal conservative against unfunded mandates and big government regulations intruding into our personal lives.

      • PM MN February 10, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

        Bob, I’m sorry you just do not get it!!! I registered to vote several years ago in my neighborhood. Now when I go to vote all I have to do is give them my name and they verify it is on the list and give me a ballot. Anybody can go into that polling place and claim to be me: there is no verification done at that time. What happens then when I come in later and expect to vote. I give them my name and they would tell me “I can’t vote because I already did”??? Now I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you will say they would pull the prior voting ballet and let me vote. I think not. They would never bother. AND if I never showed up to vote that year it would never be caught!!! I don’t see a problem needing to show an ID to vote; as a matter of fact I am all for it!! Everywhere else I go I need an ID so what is the problem?

      • Sue February 11, 2012 at 10:54 am #

        So Bob,

        you are assuming that every person who vouches for an unregistered voted is HONEST?

        really? wow you are indeed naive Sir.

        I personally know of 1 occurance in the 2008 election where someone “vouched” for another’s vote for Obama & Franken and said person who was vouched for was from another country & here on an expired visa. but voted legally…..

        and the person who vouched for the other person was bragging about it saying they beat the system.

        So I beg to differ with you Sir.

        And I agree with the above poster…if I have to show ID to buy gas, cash a check, buy booze, etc is not voting more important?

        And how do your disenfranchised voters do the aforementioned tasks without a valid ID?

        • Mike R. February 12, 2012 at 10:45 am #

          NOT EVERYONE has easy access to “Valid ID” nor will they ever be able to do so as easily as you concerned citizens. We are talking about the elderly, disabled, poor, etc. etc. etc. But hey you don’t care about their rights do you? Nah, not in the land of the free and the brave!!! That would be something radical like Democracy! Can’t have that now can we??

          • Ms. J February 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

            So how do/did the elderly, disabled, poor, etc. manage to get the ID’s they already need for food stamps, medicare, welfare, etc? As I understand, the ID’s will be issued at little or no cost to registered citizens. So, now what’s the excuse?

          • Dan February 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

            And the solution is to help people get ID, not leave our election system open to abuse.

          • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

            To Dan below- there is no real ABUSE that amounts to anything. Show it if you can, for real. It’s not there. End of story. But you wing nuts will get your way- you usually do, for all the wrong reasons.

          • MN voter February 16, 2012 at 5:06 am #

            If access of “the elderly, disabled, poor, etc.” to get an ID is the issue, let’s not confuse it with showing a voter id prior to voting. If these people truly do not have any way, like family or friends or caretakers to assist them, then YOU get active and find a way to make that access happen. Take them where they need to go. Organize people to help you. Have a voter identification day at a community center. go to your elected representatives and work on a solution.

          • Wantdemocracy February 20, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

            Ms. J- they don’t need all that crap, and they wouldn’t get the services they need if that were the case. You just don’t get it. You don’t want to get it. How do I know this? I’ve worked in those jobs that help those very people.

  11. Jim February 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm #

    To Bob:

    Again, you spoeak out of both sides. In your first paragraph, you claim that everyone who is registered has already shown a photo ID. This is NOT true. (If it were, and everyone showed an ID to register, then everyone would have an ID to show to vote. Then there wouldn’t even be an issue because everyone would have an ID. This would ensure everyone who voted was, in fact, the person who is registered. No dead people, and the number of voters could not exceed the number of people registered to vote, etc.) The fact is, people can “vouch” for others. And since no IDs are required, who’s to say the one vouching is who they say they are? You’re a fiscal conservative against unfunded mandates? I find this hard to believe. Why are you progressive liberals always afraid to just say who you are? There is much more cost to NOT having a secure voting system than there is in having one. Seriously… what small percentage of the population does not have a valid ID? Do you really think it would be that expensive to provide those people with an ID? I have seen estimates for this, and the cost is only a few million dollars across the country, and I’ll bet if it were a check box on tax returns, people who pay taxes (i.e., have IDs) would volunteer $5 to pay for IDs to ensure a secure system. You still have not provided a real reason against requiring an ID to vote. What is the real downside to that?

  12. Steve Taylor February 10, 2012 at 5:56 pm #

    Just last weekend Barb Goodwin (50 DFL), who unfortunately is my state senator, spoke out at a town hall meeting and assured us that there “has never been voter fraud in Minnesota and that voter-id would be the equivalent of a poll tax!:

    • MN voter February 16, 2012 at 5:10 am #

      Lucky you! Can you help her get her head out of the sand?

  13. Scott February 11, 2012 at 8:25 am #

    This video proves nothing. It is poorly edited and I”m sure totally edited to show the worst. This guy has a future at Fox News corp for sure. He’s leaving out tons of information about registering in MN. You fill out a form, but that is not all there is, but watching this video you would think that is the end of it all.

  14. Scott February 11, 2012 at 8:28 am #

    there was .0009 percent voter fraud in MN last election. Does this constitute this kind of attention? voter fraud is real, but how big a problem is it? This is nothing but a fringe issue to rile up conservatives. The paperwork necessary for a voter ID for people without a license is ridiculous. It will disenfranchise the poor, the disabled and the elderly. This is a bad idea.

    • Mike R. February 12, 2012 at 10:47 am #

      Thank you Scott, Ken and Sue!! Some rational comments finally!! If “concerned citizens” only spent as much time and effort on this country’s real problems we’d have it made. If wishes were horses…

  15. Ken Kjer February 11, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    I still don’t see how a voter ID card or a drivers license will prevent fraud. I can get a fake MN DL with my picture on it anytime.

    • Sue February 11, 2012 at 11:02 am #

      If you have enough ambition to get a fake ID it shows you have a bit of ambition and are contributing to the economy.

      Being an election judge I will be able to spot that a mile away….

      • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

        Again- thank you Sue and Ken. People get pointed and led into these non-issues for a reason, and it’s sinister to say the least. And I’m not exaggerating, because it is unnecessary and for all the wrong reasons- that is fascist control of the process to suppress and/or completely eliminate certain demographic groups from exercising their constitutinal right to vote. They can’t win on the actual issues enough anymore, and the kind of massive cheating they themselves are guilty of is difficult and uncertain. Thus this MAGICAL ISSUE with the magical and “sure proof” method!!!!! Only guess what- it will be a SNAP to alter the results and even better than that the EVIDENCE magically disappears! It’s a great idea for totalitarian control! We get it, but these other people don’t and probably never will.

  16. Susan Simit February 11, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    Because Acorn was such a bad deal in Minnesota, it is great to see it exposed for the scam that it was. Acorn was promising to pay ex-felons to register people to vote (never paid any of them)? Ex-felons are not eligble to vote so why are they registering individuals to vote? Sounds more like a ballot stuffing attempt than fraud. Look who benefited from Acorn’s attempts. The bad part is these videos only focus on a few “receptionist”, for lack of a better word; it is obvious they have never had any election training. As a Head Election Judge, I have had to attend many training sessions and we do receive critiques from the State of Minnesota on errors in voter registration that we have made. The one women that asked where he worked when he asked for 15 copies, almost had it right – this scenario is true for elder residences, group homes, etc. Please do not watch this video and assume ALL Election Judges are this stupid – WE ARE NOT – there are some of us that take this very seriously — And believe in the statement that falsely registering is a FELONY. This video is also very misleading in the fact that you can take the registration form with you and fill it out but you do have present certain identification (and it has to be documented which you presented), you have to take an oath at the time of registration, and you have to sign that it is you registering to vote. Hmmmm, kind of hard to say some one does not want to come in???? I take this video as very demeaning to me as a Head Election Judge – I challenge James O’Keefe to become an election judge. We sit there for 14 hours because we believe in the electoral process, and many of you can’t be bothered to come in and vote but let’s slam the process. I agree there are things wrong with our election process (such as an Electoral College) but it is not with procedures that election officials follow to ensure your vote is truly being protected and counted.

    • j February 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

      That jerk should be in prison!! Acorn was helping poor blacks etc. and they voted with the Dems!!! Plain and simple; SURPRESSION! SURPRESSION! NOTHING BUT EVIL! A POWER GRAB!

  17. Mike R. February 12, 2012 at 11:04 am #

    Acorn was a threat to the Right and it was taken down. It’s mission was just and legal. Whether somebody did or was trying to do something unethical or illegal it probably was the work of a few bad people or a bad office manager/s. And that happens with ALL organizations. The Right fears all voters voting because most of their aganda does not match the average person and certianly not the poor and minorities. Truth be told they would lose just about every election if more people voted, and they know this. It is just that simple.

    • Dan February 20, 2012 at 8:21 pm #

      ACORN was and still is a threat to the democratic process.

      • Carlos February 22, 2012 at 3:43 am #

        ACORN doesn’t exist anymore. Identify yourself. Are you from Mars? I have a martian here, I have a martian here.

        • Dan February 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

          Yes, they do. ACORN is still a functioning non-profit corporation. Many of their affiliates have changed their names, but are also still operating as usual.

  18. rick belt February 13, 2012 at 11:24 am #

    The only people who do not believe in voter ID are the people who intend to use it for fraud. Getting an id would require you going to the license center and that is it. Let’s get rid of some of the fraud I want my vote to count legally.

    • j February 22, 2012 at 10:11 am #

      ALL THE PEOPLE IN fL IN 2008 wanted their vote to count (Mostly blacks ) , BUT cATHY “tHE wITCH” Harris stole their votes!! So don’t talk to me about voter fraud!! Repubs=theft! It also happen in Oh in 2008-voter suppression! Voter suppression!! The republican don’t have a chance otherwise!!


  19. Mike R. February 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm #

    What about people who can’t get there easily, like the poor, disabled, etc.? And how much will these systems cost taxpayers? Lots, that how much. But you don’t care about any of that. You are so paranoid about voting fraud, when in fact there has been no substantial voting fraud done by small groups or individuals- that is pure paranoid fantasy. Does it happen? Sure, I suppose. But not enough to change any election, ever, in this country’s history. I am only paranoid about the electronic voting machins, as you should be too. That is the goal with all this. Leave it up to the machines and the people programming them or hacking them. You really think that will be better? No of course it won’t. Only worse, much much worse- for democracy. Do you really care about democracy, or your own paranoid fantasies? You are being led to a totalitarian dystopia, by the elite, who don’t care about you at all.

    • Dan February 13, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

      You don’t understand the proposal. Read the bill, watch the video and then come back if you want to rant some more. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:36 pm #

        Well, gee Dan I was simply responding to the poster above. Is that not allowed? It seems to be… so what your beef?

    • MN voter February 16, 2012 at 5:26 am #

      Fraud won’t change election results? Ever? Did you check with any Floridians during the 2008 election?

      I have to agree with you about the electronic voting machines. Voters in 2010 in Nevada said their voting machine showed Harry Reid’s name when they voted for someone else.

      I saw something a few days ago about voting machine fraud and it wasn’t the machine but the card that records the votes which is inserted into the machine that was the problem. There was executable code on the card. Check out this video.


  20. John February 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

    When a flaw is discovered in a system it is usually those exploiting the flaw who cry foul at attempts to correct the flaw. As the saying goes…”If you are taking flack you’re probably over the target”.

  21. John February 13, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

    If even 1 vote is cast in an attempt to defraud the election it’s too many.

  22. Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm #

    Kind of like putting to death one innocent person per every 9 guilty ones is ok with you, and if so why? John your statement above borders on the hysterical. it is not logical or rational. You imagine some kind of magical fix to this “problem”. But what if the fix is worse than the imagined “problem.” What if it is MUCH worse??

  23. Jim Martin February 14, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    When ignoring the internal registration procedures, this video is very convincing in that voter impersonation is easy to get away with in Minnesota. As the video suggests registration under Minn. Stat. §201.054, subd. 1(1), it might be prudent to point out that the applications that were obtained are subject to the requirement of MS §201.061, subd. 1, such that the application for registration must be “received no later than 5:00 p.m. on the 21st day preceding any election.” This is so the counties and precincts can verify the voter as eligible prior to the election (IE travel to the residence on the application). If registering on election day, MS §201.061, subd. 3, requires a person to provide proof of eligibility to an election judge, like (as expressly stated) a Minnesota driver’s license. As for registration via absentee ballot, MS §203B.04, subd. 4, requires it to be accompanied by proof of eligibility. As is demonstrated by the video, people can freely get applications. And as suggested, they can be submitted. But, that does not mean that an applicant will be registered: they must meet the eligibility requirement Minnesota Constitution, Article VII.

    Furthermore, consider MS §204C.12, subd. 1, in that “An election judge shall, and an authorized challenger or other voter may, challenge an individual whom the person knows or reasonably believes is not an eligible voter.” In other words, it is expressly incumbent upon a Minnesota election judge to challenge voter impersonation. More importantly, any eligible voter may challenge someone else anywhere in the state who attempts to impersonate an eligible Minnesota voter. There’s a reason why voter impersonation does not exist in Minnesota (see “Facts About Ineligible Voting and Voter Fraud in Minnesota” ).

    No matter what side of the issue you’re on, you must ask yourself a very important question regarding Voter-ID: how absentee voters (like military personal deployed overseas) provide photo ID to election judges at their precincts back home in Minnesota? While running for the Minnesota Legislature in 2010, I asked this question repeatedly to the Voter-ID lobby and received absolutely no answer.

  24. Wantdemocracy February 15, 2012 at 9:18 am #

    Thank you Mr. Martin. There is a ulterior motive to all this, which you may be aware of. It is sinister and it scares me. I don’t know where it will ultimately lead, but we cannot stop trying to put the brakes on handing more and more power and control to people who like to remain in the shadows. Koch Brothers money is behind this, among others, regardless of what anyone may say- I believe that as a matter of fact. They are NOT interested in better voting accuracy, efficiency, etc. To believe anything like that is laughable, except that it is too serious for that.

  25. Wantdemocracy February 17, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    The core of the right-wing Republican base, is generally as follows:

    They are highly submissive to established authority, aggressive in the name of that authority and conventional to the point of insisting everyone should behave as their authorities decide. Of course, they like to believe this is otherwise. The staid conservative of yesteryear has become the “out of the mainstream” radical- at least with regard to what was once considered Republican. To Right-wing authority however, they are appeasing and subserviant.

    They are fearful and self-righteous and have a lot of hostility in them that they readily direct toward various out-groups. They are easily incited, easily led, rather un-inclined to think for themselves, largely impervious to facts and reason and rely instead on social support to maintain their beliefs. They bring strong loyalty to their in-groups, have thick-walled, highly compartmentalized minds, use a lot of double standards in their judgments, are surprisingly unprincipled at times and are often hypocrites.

    They would march America into a dictatorship and probably feel that things had improved as a result…. And they are so submissive to their leaders that they will believe and do virtually anything they are told. They are not going to let up and they are not going away.

    • BunnieW February 20, 2012 at 4:26 pm #

      Great post.

      I wonder how many of the “citizens” posting here have ever volunteered to serve democracy by working as an election judge? That is as close to the inside workings of our election system as a voter can get. I sincerely believe that if they had, they would not believe the fairy tales that the Felon O’Keefe and his merry band of lawbreakers are putting forth. At least in Minnesota, elections are clean and well controlled. It is lying, un-Christian scum like O’Keefe that give voting a bad name.

      I served for almost five years and we were almost always short of judges who were registered as Republicans. You need a balanced crew for handling absentee ballots and end of the night duties, hopefully judges from the DFL, GOP and Independent party at the very least. I think some DFL volunteers were actually turned away in Ramsey County because they needed more Republicans first. So put your body where your anonymous blabber mouths are, pro-IDers, and step up to serve in the 2012 election. Experience a 15-hour shift at the polls for yourself, and see democracy at work. Then report back to us.

      • Dan February 20, 2012 at 8:27 pm #

        I walk into your polling place. I say my name is Peter Jakova (it isn’t) and I want to register and vote. A campaign volunteer from the precinct hanging round the pollng place will vouch for me.

        1. How will you know I’m not Peter Jakova?
        2. Even if you did, how will you stop me from voting? You can challenge me, but if I maintain my identity and eligibility and swear your oath, you have to let me vote.
        3. How would anyone ever catch me afterwards? I used a false name, false address, no ID. Prosecutors can determine with limited certainty that there probably is no Peter Jakova, but how will they tie that to me?

        • Wantdemocracy February 21, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

          Dan- I’m not a election judge so I cannot speak directly to your scenario, perhaps someone who is will. But the real issue is that “voter fraud” has NOT BEEN proven to be a PROBLEM. And to be a PROBLEM a concerted effort by an entire group or groups of people ORGANIZED to go to such lengths to even have an off chance of altering the results of any election. I’ve heard of such things done a very long time ago, but not in modern times. You have not made a just cause for any change for this reason and the reason that the current system has been working pretty darn well. Now if you were all hot and bothered by ELECTION FRAUD- you’d have lots of supporters, myself included. You and yours are suspiciously silent on that issue however.

          • Dan February 21, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

            I have sworn affidavits from an election judge and a poll challenger who witnessed members of Organizing for America committing voucher fraud in the 2010 election. It’s under investigation by the Minneapolis Police Department. In 2004, such a widespread conspiracy to ause our vouching system was also uncovered.

    • Wow February 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

      That was the comment to end all comments. Well-said, sir.

      • Wantdemocracy February 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

        Ahhh, the “poll challenger”! A new soldier in the war for all that is pure and natural. Good citizens out there doing their duty! Defending the Homeland, getting and asking for so little in return. Brings…. a tear….to the eye….

        • Dan February 23, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

          Nothing new about poll challengers. They’ve been established in Minnesota’s election law for decades (or longer). Republicans and Democrats alike recruit them to monitor polling places.

          You know so little about our election system and election laws for someone who opines on them incessantly.

          • Wantdemocracy February 24, 2012 at 11:26 am #

            Ahh, Dan… c’mon. Your convenient assumptions are pretty lame. Anyone who has paid attention to this phenomenon is well aware of its power, in certain places (districts) interestingly enough, and who performs the best at it (or worst, depending upon your POV). I am willing to admit that poor people (and all who that may also entail) are not the best record keepers, they tend to move a lot, they may need help to vote, etc etc. etc. These things are certianly challenging to a democracy but not near enough to create such a fuss about. But it is your right to attempt to do so. It is also equally right for people like me to try to hold you as accountable as we can.

  26. Wantdemocracy February 20, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

    Thank you BunnieW. We all need to keep hammering back at these assults on democracy. They have become very sophisticated over the years. A good example of this is the immediate response to the racist aspect of all this. Even the banner that was above is gone, thanks to me, but I wish it was still there. Unbelievable how dense they can be and yet mount a strong defense too. They have really learned how to turn this stuf around- their highly paid think-tankers are working over-time I guess.

  27. MNVoter222 February 21, 2012 at 1:03 pm #

    Awesome debate last night on FOX9 about the Voter ID issue:


  28. Wantdemocracy February 22, 2012 at 11:45 am #

    Ahh yes… Faux News…. where would we be without them?? Course Fox 9 is not the national version exactly and is much better than the national version thank goodness.

  29. Wantdemocracy February 24, 2012 at 11:28 am #

    An observer of the right-wing phenomenon must explain the paradox of followers who would escape from freedom even as they incessantly invoke the word freedom as if it were a mantra. But freedom so defined does not mean ordinary civil liberties like the prohibition of illegal government search and seizure, the right of due process, or the right not to be tortured. The hard right has never protested the de facto abrogation of much of the Bill of Rights during the last decade. In the right-wing id, freedom is the emotional release that a hostile and psychologically repressed person feels when he is finally able to lash out at the objects of his resentment. Freedom is his prerogative to rid himself of people who are different, or who unsettle him. Freedom is merging into a like-minded herd. Right-wing alchemy transforms freedom into authoritarianism.

  30. Steve Holloway March 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

    We want voter I D

  31. cajeffo May 5, 2012 at 2:20 am #

    Apathetic Americans are taking us down!!!!
    How can we just stand there and take this????

    America has been Hacked and Hijacked

    Eugenics – Killing Americans

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