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The League of Women Voters EXPOSED! (video)


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The Minnesota League of Women Voters and allied groups are conducting so-called “informational sessions” on voter ID throughout Minnesota.

The League has produced a 17-minute video titled, “Democracy for All? The Barriers of Voter ID.” The video is an attempt to persuade the supermajority of Minnesotans who currently support voter ID into opposing of the measure.  The video is a deceptive propaganda piece that distorts the facts about the Minnesota voter ID proposal.  Here we examine and debunk the claims made. The sheer number of false statements has resulted in a bit of a lengthy article to rebut the League’s video with facts.

The video begins with a statement that a state issued photo ID with a current address would be required to vote and that this requirement would prevent some citizens from voting. The video’s producers aren’t telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, though! Minnesota’s Voter ID proposal as introduced in the 2011 legislative session (SF509) makes provisions for people who have recently moved and don’t have their current address on their drivers license or state-issued ID. It allows a voter to present their ID with their former address along with a renewal slip showing the voters’ current address in the precinct. That renewal slip can be obtained immediately, on election day if needed.

Voters who run into difficulty and who need more time to obtain a renewal slip or new license, state ID or voter ID card would be provided a provisional ballot, allowing them a full additional week to obtain the necessary ID and present it to have their ballot counted.

The bill also offers a voter ID card at no charge for those who need them.

The League’s video goes on to state that Minnesota’s Election system is “one of the best” and that our “election system is sound,” but offers nothing to back up that opinion.

In truth, Minnesota’s election system which combines Election Day registration with vouching is among the least secure election systems in the country. We’re one of only two states that do this, and one of only 6 who don’t employ provisional ballots. It may be the best election system for proponents of loose elections and voter fraud, but it is not the best for those who are concerned with fair and secure elections that are free of corruption.

With nearly 200 recent voter fraud convictions, Minnesota is now leading the nation in convictions for voter fraud. Not a very noble distinction. Worse, it wasn’t our election system that caught the fraud, but an outside non-profit organization.

After an unrelated exposition on the women’s suffrage and civil rights movements, the video explains that voting is a right, which is true. Voting is a right, but it’s a qualified right. In Minnesota, a voter must be a resident of the state, a citizen, at least 18 years of age and must live in the precinct. A voter can’t be a convicted felon whose rights have not yet been restored and can’t be under a guardianship in which the right to vote has been revoked by the court. In addition, each eligible voter is entitled to only one ballot in an election.

The Voter ID system proposed forMinnesota simply verifies that a voter meets the constitutional qualifications for voting.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, yet state and federal laws require photo ID in order to purchase or obtain a permit to carry firearms. These ID requirements are not thought to infringe the Second Amendment.

“Along with being costly to implement and completely unnecessary, these bills will deny the vote to united states citizens by adding to the difficulty of same day registration and by requiring registered voters to provide a current government issued voter ID and they will exclude some very specific groups,” says a narrator.

The 21st Century Voter ID bill would actually save tax dollars by streamlining and modernizing the election system, eliminating millions of paper records like voter roster pages. It also makes Election Day registration easier and faster by automating the completion of voter registration applications. That automation has the added benefit of reducing errors that result from manual data entry of handwritten voter registration applications.

The video alleges that Voter ID will somehow exclude “very specific groups” but again offers no explanation of how, or evidence to support the assertion.

The League of Women Voters has made these claims before, but in a court of law, evidence to support such claims is expected. When the League of Women Voters, the NAACP and Common Cause sued the state of Georgia to stop a new Voter ID law based on claims of disenfranchisement, the judge upheld the law. In his ruling, he said that the League’s failure, despite their efforts, to uncover anyone “‘who can attest to the fact that he/she will be prevented from voting’ provides significant support for the conclusion that the Photo ID requirement does not unduly burden the right to vote.”

A similar Voter ID law enacted in Indiana was upheld by the United States Supreme Court despite the same unfounded protests of the League of Women Voters and their allies.

The video calls Voter ID an unfunded mandate on local governments, which is demonstrably false. The bill in question made purchase of certain new technology that would be a convenient time and money saver for the counties optional. Under the proposal, the state would bear the full cost of providing voter ID cards at no charge to the voters.

If the League’s position against voter ID truly has merit, why do they have to use numerous falsehoods to make their case?

The League’s video emphasizes the importance of voter turn out, implying that Voter ID will reduce turnout. What they don’t mention is that voter turnout has increased in every state which has adopted a Voter ID requirement. Increasing public confidence in the election system leads to increased participation.

Ramsey County Elections Manager Joe Mansky said he wants to make sure that everyone who is eligible to vote is able to vote, which is a laudable goal that all sides should agree on, but there should also be an effort to ensure that those who are not eligible to vote are not able to vote. Every fraudulent vote that enters the ballot box robs a legitimate voter of their voice in government. A good election system would make it easy to vote, but hard to cheat. The two objectives are not mutually exclusive.

Manksy goes on to say that the election system should be transparent, but his own office has been resistant to lawful public requests to inspect and examine election documents. The state’s information policy analysis division (IPAD) issued an opinion stating that Ramsey County Elections violated the law in attempting to inflate costs to obtain copies of election records. In addition, Ramsey County Elections has recently denied the Minnesota Voters Alliance access to election records requested underMinnesota’s Data Practices Act (Minnesota Statutes Chapter 13).

For someone who says he’s concerned about transparent elections, Mansky seems to put a lot of effort into keeping prying eyes away from the election records under his control.

“We should be able to verify everything that we’re doing,” said Mansky, but verification would include reconciling the number of ballots counted to the number of voter signatures on the roster, a procedure he opposes in favor of counting insecure voter receipts. Mansky had previously testified to knowledge of election judges tampering with the counts of those receipts when they fail to balance.

The Nobles County attorney said not a single documented case of an illegal immigrant voting has been brought to him.

This is one small county out of 87 counties in Minnesota and a parsing of words. Not all non-citizens are illegal immigrants, so this statement is meaningless. In addition, Minnesota Majority’s work on detecting ineligible felon voters is the only reason that voter fraud was caught and prosecuted. Minnesota Majority has been denied access to the necessary government records to determine whether non-citizens have voted. Nobody’s looking for it and the government actively hinders citizen-led efforts to discover the truth.

Keesha Gaskins, formerly with the League of Women Voters, MN and now with the Brennan Center for Justice (who produced the unsubstantiated report alleging that millions of people would be disenfranchised by a simple voter ID requirement) asserts that the only kind of voter fraud that would be stopped by voter ID is voter impersonation. This is absolutely false. Yes, it will stop that crime and many other varieties.

Eligibility verification is tied to voter ID. Under the 21st Century Voter ID proposal, non-citizens, ineligible felons and ineligible wards would be detected and prevented from voting when they scanned their ID into a terminal pre-loaded with voter status information from a central database.

Ms. Gaskins also fails to mention false-identity voting. “Voter impersonation,” as she puts it is a misleading misnomer. With Minnesota’s combination of unverifiable Election Day registration and vouching, identities can be invented out of thin air. That’s not impersonation, it’s creating a false identity, which is also prevented by Voter ID.

There is strong evidence that thousands of false identities have been used to cast fraudulent ballots in recent Minnesota elections. When a new voter registers, a postal verification card (PVC) is mailed to that voter’s registered address. If the card is returned as undeliverable mail, the voter is flagged for challenge at the next election.

After the 2008 election, for example, over 5,000 Election Day registrants were found to have provided names and/or addresses that resulted in an undeliverable PVC that could not be explained by legitimate reasons, such as the voter had moved. Those voters have been flagged for challenge in the next election, but their ballots in 2008 were accepted and counted.

Ms. Gaskins asserts that there is no evidence of voter impersonation anywhere in this country. Would she say that convictions for the crime of voter impersonation was evidence? NAACP leader Lessadolla Sowers was recently convicted on 10 counts of voter impersonation fraud inMississippi. Hundreds of similar cases have been prosecuted, including a recent conspiracy in Troy, New York, where city council members and other government officials pled guilty to voting in other people’s names.

Mansky returns to the screen to suggest that stiff penalties for voter fraud, up to a $10,000 fine 5 years in prison might deter voter fraud. The problem is, nobody actually faces those penalties. In Ramsey County, where over 60 people have recently been convicted of voter fraud, the penalty imposed was a $50 fine, plus court costs. Less than a typical parking ticket.

The video suggests that voter ID would be a barrier to people with disabilities because their PCA (personal care attendant) has to take time to get them ready to go to the polling place and arrange transportation – This is true with or without voter ID. The video also suggests that people with disabilities can’t afford voter ID cards, but they are provided at no charge. Those receiving government subsidies and assistance, such as PCAs would necessarily have to have the requisite ID already, anyhow.

College students move a lot, so expecting them to keep current photo ID is too much to ask, the video suggests. State law requires IDs to be updated within 30 days after moving, but college students have other options. They can choose to maintain their residence in their hometown and vote from their parents’ address with an absentee ballot, or they can use an ID with an outdated address in conjunction with other evidence of their residence in the precinct, such as a student fee statement or student housing list, or they can simply update their address with the Department of Public Safety and use the license, ID or Voter ID card renewal slip as proof of their current address. This can all be done right on Election Day. Voter ID is no barrier to students voting.  Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or the ignorant believer of a lie.

Finally, provisional ballots allow an extra 7 days after voting to get one’s ID in order if necessary.

The League of Women Voters suggests people in temporary shelters would be denied the right to vote under a voter ID law, but the 21st Century Voter ID bill passed by the legislature but vetoed by the governor made allowances for people in temporary shelters. Shelter administrators could issue documents verifying that the voter is residing in the shelter as proof of residence to vote in the shelter’s precinct.

Seniors don’t have transportation to get photo ID, the video asserts. Most actuallydo, however and manage to make it to Doctor appointments and are able to pick up prescriptions at the drug store. They have family to rely on and Metro Mobility and similar transportation services if they are no longer driving or taking busses themselves.  Besides that, the 21st Century Voter ID bill made it possible for voters who are home-bound due to medical conditions to submit a photo with their application for ID by email or regular post. In addition, under Minnesota’s current statutes, seniors, 65 or older aren’t required to renew their state-issued ID – it’s valid for life.

Every state that’s enacted a photo ID requirement to vote has also made acceptable photo ID available at no charge to the voters. Minnesota’s voter ID proposal does so as well.

The League of Women Voters tries to equate a possible need to acquire (one time) either a birth certificate or a marriage certificate in order to obtain the free state-issued voter ID as a barrier, or “poll tax,” but at that point, the argument is getting absurd. You need a shirt and shoes to enter the government building to get those documents, too, so if the state doesn’t pay for everyone’s clothes, does that constitute a “poll tax?”

Birth certificates and marriage licenses are important documents that a person should have and retain for many purposes besides voting.

Very little in the League of Women Voters “Democracy for All?” video is actually true. It’s a shameless propaganda piece designed to mislead and misinform. It’s sad to see the once respected League of Women Voters reduced to a mouthpiece for corrupt organizations like ACORN and their offshoots.

They know that what they’re propagating isn’t true, but they don’t seem to care. Keeping election systems vulnerable to voter fraud at least through the 2012 election seems to be the goal and facts aren’t going to get in their way.

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Questions to ask opponents of Voter ID

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42 Responses to The League of Women Voters EXPOSED! (video)

  1. Mary Jo Keating January 13, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    You are wrong on so many levels. Now more trhan ever we need to have PROOF that the person voting is actually that person…and that they can only vote once. ANYONE can get an I.D. Actually, how many of the people that you are so concerned about, have bothered to vote in the past…even without a photo I.D. After all the voter fraud from the 2008 national election, I think we need to have definite proof of the person coming in to vote. If a person is on the up and up, they will not have a problem with an I.D., however, someone who is looking to create voter fraud knows this would cause them problems.

    • Cindy January 13, 2012 at 3:26 pm #

      Mary Jo,
      “After all the voter fraud from the 2008 election”? What figures have you seen? 86 people out of 300 million voters were convicted by federal prosecutors for voter fraud. This is an extremely low number. Did they miss a few? Probably. Even if the number was double that, it is still a miniscule percentage. This is a transparent attempt by the GOP and, more specifically, the Koch Brothers to disenfranchise populations which typically vote Democrat. Pretty sad.
      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/…/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830

      • Dan January 13, 2012 at 3:52 pm #

        Prosecutions and convictions are still rolling in from Minnesota’s 2008 election. In Minnesota alone, there have been over 200 people convicted of voter fraud… so far. Seems your numbers are a bit off, but since your source is a pop culture rock and roll magazine, not surprising.

        After the 2008 election, it was discovered that over 5,000 election day registrants provided addresses that do not exist and who were flagged to be challenged in the NEXT election, but their ballots (cast with no ID) have already been counted. Catching them is impossible if all we have is a false name and address to go by.

        There’s so much more, but it’s impractical to spell it all out for you here. You need to spend some time doing research in publications that don’t have a naked Lady Gaga half-covered in bubbles on the cover. Good luck!

        • Mawi February 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm #

          “Prosecutions and convictions are still rolling in from Minnesota’s 2008 election. In Minnesota alone, there have been over 200 people convicted of voter fraud… so far. Seems your numbers are a bit off, but since your source is a pop culture rock and roll magazine, not surprising.”

          That’s still 200 out of 300 million votes. That’s not even a drop in the bucket. And the rolling stone is a well reputed magazine with real journalistic integrity. Its a much more valid source of information, than this site (just a fact, I don’t mean to be insulting).

          “After the 2008 election, it was discovered that over 5,000 election day registrants provided addresses that do not exist and who were flagged to be challenged in the NEXT election, but their ballots (cast with no ID) have already been counted.”

          Do you have evidence that the 5000, actually committed voter fraud? Isn’t it more likely that the address may have been erroneously written? For example someone wrote the zip code wrong, or forgot to include an apartment number, or wrote down street rather than avenue, or has an illegible hand writing or misspelled the street name.

          Also president Obama won by about 8.5 million votes. So even if all 5000 people intentionally cast fraudulent votes it didn’t affect the election in any way. If those 5000 votes were really fraudulent that is still a voting fraud rate of approximately 0.00167%. That is actually unusually high compared to fraud in previous elections but obviously not high enough to affect the state of an election.

          • Dan February 9, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

            Franken won by 312 votes.

        • Mike R. February 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

          Paranoid fantasy. Fed to the sheep to lead them to (very expensive)electonic voting machines, scanners, etc. So we reley on that and those companies that own and run them? Really, that will be good for democracy? No of course not. It will facilitate massive and complete control over democracy via the elite. Thus no more democracy. Thanks for all your hard work there Dan. Dictators everywhere are probably really impressed.

          • Dan February 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

            The 21st Century Voter ID system advocated for by this site ensures that all voters are treated equally. Right now, they are not, and it is unjust, and likely a violation of equal protection. There are paper copies of voter signatures and registrations. Ballots will still be paper, and verifiable. The system will continue to use electronic rosters. It will make data entry more accurate by eliminating the human error of manually entering data from handwritten forms. The entire system is easily auditable. DIctators would hate it because it makes skewing an election, therefore thwarting the will of the people nearly impossible.

            You need to study the issue and the proposal in more detail for yourself instead of taking LWV, NAACP talking points. Can’t trust them on election integrity issues when their own leaders are going to jail for voter fraud.

          • Wantdemocracy February 18, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

            Dan- what about the Presidential election in favor of Bush in 2000? Why weren’t you Rightys so worried about that squeaker then? And why so quick to allow (and applaud) ACTIVIST JUDGES make OUR decision for US at that time???? Something the Right is always are complaining about. Hypocritical and nonsensical- Except for the fact that Rightys in power are behind this issue. Hmmmm. Gosh, I wonder why????? Will is really HELP all people vote? When IN FACT the people who tend to vote Republican already out-vote those that are NOT. Golly gee Dan, what about that unfortunate FACT?????????

          • Dan February 21, 2012 at 11:28 am #

            We are trying to design an election system that will prevent all forms of voter fraud.

      • Frank February 10, 2012 at 12:03 am #

        Cindy,
        You may be right, only 86 may have been convicted. Are you gullible enough to believe that they caught every non existent voter and convicted them. There were 3400 unverified voters per undeliverable mail according to the Sec. of States office. But wow they convicted 86 people. Nice system you believe in.

        • Dan February 10, 2012 at 11:45 am #

          That’s incorrect. It’s over 200 who have been convicted and thousands more that weren’t charged simply because they pled ignorance of the law. Minnesota Majority’s report on convicted fraudsters lists 113 of those convicted by name. There have, of course, been more since then as the report is based on data as of July of last year) . Go look it up yourself.

          • Wantdemocracy February 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

            What were these so-called miscreants actually guilty of, exactly? What were they trying to do, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.

        • Wantdemocracy February 19, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

          Gullible “Frank”?? Your above statement reeks of it.

        • Wantdemocracy February 21, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

          “all forms of voter fraud” Uhh, what about ELECTION fraud, Dan?? That’s the one that really matters and has changed the course of history even.

      • Wantdemocracy February 19, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

        I think I love you Cindy…

    • Mawi February 9, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

      “After all the voter fraud from the 2008 national election”

      What voter fraud from the 2008 election?

  2. Dan January 13, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

    From the rest of your comment, when you say, “You are wrong on so many levels,” I assume “You” in that statement refers to the League of Women voters.

  3. Brian February 8, 2012 at 4:26 am #

    I watched and listened to the League of Women Voters entire video “Democracy for All? The Barriers of Voter ID.” Starting at the 3:55 minute mark, it quickly becomes an insult to our intelligence. Throughout the rest of the video, it was clear to me that the people featured are either lying through their teeth, or truly have been misled into believing there is something fundamentally wrong with requiring residents to confirm their eligibility to vote in Minnesota elections with a (photo) Voter ID card.

    My questions are these:
    Why does the LVW oppose the Minnesota voter ID proposal?
    Are they really an informed organization, or are they also victims of misinformation?
    If not misinformed victims, then who is behind their propaganda, and more importantly, why?

    Either way, they should not be promoting a position that continues to enable fraudulent balloting, and will no doubt result in more questionable election results.

  4. EdinaMike February 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm #

    There is one group that REQUIRES picture ID for voting . . . . Unions. I guess they know a little bit more than the League of Women Voters, about fraudulent elections.

  5. Bob Vandenakker February 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

    I too would like to see who all these 5000 “fake” voters who cast ballots were. Can you please show 1 fake person who voted? I would think that had any of those people with returned voter registration cards actually signed into the polls and voted (which is a simple task to check), that Franken, Coleman, Dayton and Emmer would have brought proof of that. But they didn’t and there’s only allegations and anecdotes to support your side. The fact is, that Emmer’s campaign didn’t try and claim all this voter fraud because if they actually had to put it up in court, they’d see that all your rhetoric is bunk, just like South Carolina’s claim of the dead rising to vote. How many zombie voters were there in Minnesota? We have death records and the signed voting rosters. Please, show us one case in Minnesota where a dead person voted.

    Close elections do not indicate fraud, and fraud is so much more likely to occur behind the scenes. So 200 felons who had IDs and registered to vote out of 3,000,000 is a rate of 0.0006%, whereas the rate of Secretaries of State commiting voter fraud is at 2%. How come voter ID in Indiana didn’t stop that?

    And quoting yourself as your source doesn’t help your cause. Try something independent for once. Even better, try something non-partisian.

    Way to pick on little old ladies. I guess from all the flak you’re giving them, they must be right over the target.

    – Bob Vandenakker, a fiscal conservative who opposes big government regulation of our civil rights

    • Mike R. February 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm #

      Thank you so much Bob. A voice of sanity once in awhile is sorely needed!

    • Dan February 13, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

      SInce Minnesota Majority is the only organization doing research into voter fraud in Minnesota, there isn’t anyone else to cite, however the data analyzed in the Report on unverifiable voters in Minnesota’s elections came directly from the secretary of state’s office. Give it a look. http://wewantvoterid.com/documents/2012_PVC_Report_Final.pdf

      Here’s what news agencies around the country are saying about voter fraud: http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/news-stories/

  6. Kelly February 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Voter ID NEEDS to happen! The only ones who don’t want it are mainly liberals who do not have a degree of practicality in them. It’s compassion with no logic which is an anchor attached to efforts of improvement and credibility.
    To the “drop in the bucket” comment above: the same thing can be said about the amount of people who could not vote because they lacked the proper voter ID. If they did not want to encounter this problem, them get your lazy butt up and go get the proper voter ID now. Not hard to figure out. Don’t have a car? There is plenty of cheap public transportation to get you where you need to go to get it! BAM! No more excuses on why you can’t make improvements or be in support of them! Especially in your own life! Democracy and liberalism never got a massif people anywhere but DOWN!

    I am in favor of a better voting system. Voter ID seems to be the most logical solution in this case.

    Sorry for grammatical errors. Sent from my iPhone!
    I’m an entrepreneur as well.

    • Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 2:29 pm #

      Wow- at least we know where you stand Kelly. You’ll fit in real well in our future fascist police state. It’s basically here now. You should get out and enjoy it more.

  7. Mike R. February 13, 2012 at 12:31 pm #

    So relying on machines owned and operated by Rightwingers is the answer to this created problem? You really think so? Really?

    • Dan February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm #

      See comment above. I think you don’t understand either how our current system works, or how the 21st Century proposal will augment it. Independently verifiable results with paper trails are the objective. You’re spouting off about something you don’t understand.

  8. Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm #

    Does Diebold leave a paper trail? No it does not. Why is that Dan? Who is operating the needed and expenaive equipment Dan? Who is the person or group supplying them and earning a profit on that? How easy is it to manipulate them?

  9. Mike R. February 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm #

    Diebold (and the others) could easily leave a paper trail. The cash machines spit out a very accurate slip of paper after every transaction. Why do they not have that function with their voting machines? Isn’t that a paper trail? Because without that, you’d have to rely on their computer to report the results accurately WITHOUT ANY paper trail. Scary to anyone?

  10. Wantdemocracy February 15, 2012 at 9:20 am #

    Dan your condescension is ridiculous. Why don’t you even attempt to answer some of these questions?

  11. Wantdemocracy February 16, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Also, FYI- the inflammatory pictures (to create a fear based response) speaks volumes about this site, its creators and its mission (control). Not to mention the racial aspect (black prisoner). Par for the course however.

    • Wantdemocracy February 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

      Oh and the “Mexican.” You Rightys are always so good at slamming potential (minority) voters. I love it!

  12. Wantdemocracy February 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    The other bottom line in all this is the 800 pound gorilla: “Voter fraud” is one thing, ELECTION FRAUD is another thing. Voter fraud is rare and virtually seems to serve no purpose. Election fraud is an age old custom in this land of the free and the brave, and it has altered election outcomes. But that isn’t apparently even on the Right’s radar- I wonder why?

    • Lauren February 22, 2012 at 7:58 pm #

      I have no idea what on earth you’re talking about and I’m certain you don’t either. Voter fraud and election fraud are the same thing, unless you want to clarify your comment.

      Election fraud has been on the Right’s radar for a long time. That’s why state legislatures all over the country are passing voter ID laws. Guess who opposes those laws? The Left.

  13. Wantdemocracy February 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm #

    No comments Dan? We await your sage counsel…

  14. Wantdemocracy February 20, 2012 at 8:55 am #

    BTW- this site sure isn’t gangbusters is it? Hmmmm, well, your powerful supporters will get their way in the end, probably anyway, by hook or crook. Not with overwhelming public support that’s for sure.

  15. Wantdemocracy February 21, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

    I did miss that- congratulations. Polls, as we all know, can be misleading if not outright false- depending upon the veracity and methodology of the pollster/statistician. Be that as it may, I am a democracy lover, and should a majority of voters (yikes! that’s a loaded word NOW eh?) decide upon a resolution, or what have you, for that then so be it. But as with many of these so-called dire partisan issues, there’s already been a lot of behind the scenes scheming and ulterior motives that it can be legitimately seriously questioned. Thus, I will keep my eyes and ears open to other polls, not just the ones you happen to high-light.

    • Lauren February 22, 2012 at 7:50 pm #

      Apparently you didn’t read for comprehension. The polls shown listed the actual poll questions and the percentage of people who responded Yes or No. Hard to manipulate that to mean something different than what it is.

      The manipulation of polls you refer to comes in two flavors. One tactic is for a journalist to interpret the poll results without publishing the actual poll questions (which may actually contradict the journalist’s interpretation). For example, a journalist could say the Wilson Research poll shows that 80% are undecided as to what form of ID should be used for voter validation, implying that 80% may think voter ID isn’t a great idea, when in fact the survey question doesn’t show that at all–but you wouldn’t know it unless you actually saw the survey question.

      Another tactic is to either selectively choose the demographic to survey in order to skew the result, or to not include a bias correction when you find that your survey over-represents a particular demographic that would skew the result. In other words, if you find that your sample is 60% Republican and 35% Democrat asking a question about who they would elect as President, the numbers wouldn’t reflect the way the general population feels. Americans are almost evenly split between Republicans and Democrats.

      The surveys listed on the website don’t indicate the demographic makeup of the respondents, but here’s a clue: Rasmussen is famous for being rigorous in factoring out bias in its surveys. They are widely regarded as the most accurate for election results because of the survey methods they use.

    • Wantdemocracy February 23, 2012 at 9:10 am #

      What a Catch 22! Election fraud may actually usher in voter fraud ID law… (it could at least in theory). Dang.

  16. Wantdemocracy February 21, 2012 at 2:45 pm #

    BTW- win by propaganda, if a win it shall be for you, is nothing to be proud of. Just sayin’. And please spare me the “it will be a win for all Minnesotans” because I do not, nor will not believe that ever.

  17. Bob Vandenakker February 28, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    Way to edit video. How about you show the whole LWV event, where you guys were being rude and disruptive and shoving cameras in peoples’ faces? If you can’t win with logic and reason, try fear and intimidation. Too bad it’s not working for you.

    And I’m still waiting for you to produce a single zombie voter in Minnesota. How about a foreigner who voted then, if that’s easier? I guess if there were any, you’d have collected the ALCU’s bounty by now. That’ll go unclaimed just like your bounty did in 2010.

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